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Re: I spoke too soon! HELP!! new
      #207122 - 08/21/05 08:04 AM
Snorkie

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Your mom is probably right about the mouse crap and the factories. However, I'd probably still pitch it just because it would squick me out and put future purchases in tupperware.

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READ THIS ... then throw out the food new
      #207126 - 08/21/05 08:24 AM
Portageegal

Reged: 06/28/05
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Loc: Massachusetts

I got this from a pest control site.
I used to keep all my dry goods in the fridge.

Aug 1, 2003
By: Dr. George Rotramel
Pest Control

House mice are known carriers of salmonellosis, or bacterial food poisoning. In fact, Salmonella bacteria in mouse feces and urine are primary reasons for mouse control in restaurants and other food-handling establishments.

Unlike rats and many other rodents, house mice are not involved with plague, a disease caused by a bacterium that spreads from host to host by infected fleas. But house mice do carry rickettsialpox, a disease-like spotted fever that is transmitted to humans by the mouse mite, Liponyssoides sanguineus (Lackman, 1963).

Make sure you're knowledgeable about other diseases associated with house mice in the urban environment:

* Allergies. The cause of this increasing problem is not understood. Allergens from house mouse hair are frequently associated with asthma in schools (Amr et al., 2003), homes and workplaces (Phipatanakul et al., 2000). Shed hairs can build up in carpets, as well as under and around kitchen appliances and other areas inhabited by mice.
* Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus (LCMV). This can be carried in house mice urine and feces. Although usually causing nonlethal flulike symptoms in adults, LCMV can pass through the placenta and cause devastating defects in newborn infants (Calderon, 2002). Approximately 20% of wild house mice are carriers (Calderon, 2002), and more than 30% of premises may be infected (Mortenson and Rotramel, 1976). LCMV and LCMV birth defects both appear to be commonly overlooked or misdiagnosed (Barton et al., 1995).
* Leptospirosis. Although usually considered a disease of rats, Leptospirosis (one form is known as Weil's disease) can be transmitted in the urine of house mice and other mammals. Patients experience flulike symptoms that may persist for several months.
* Hantavirus. "Four Corners disease" is frequently lethal, transmitted when humans inhale or ingest mouse feces or urine. House mice do not appear to be involved in the outbreaks of hantaviruses in the US, all of which have been associated with native rodents (Rotramel, 1997). However, house mice have been implicated in outbreaks of similar diseases in Europe (Diglisic et al., 1994).
* Lyme disease. Borrelia burgdorferi, a microorganism carried by ixodid ticks, is the cause of this disease. Although house mice have not been implicated in the transmission of Lyme disease in this hemisphere (Oliver et al., 1999), they are suspected of helping to maintain the disease in Russia and Europe (Gern et al., 1998). In a Denmark study, 100% of house mice showed evidence of infection by the Lyme disease organism (Frandsen et al., 1995).
* Toxocariasis and larva migrans. House mice are hosts for one life stage of Toxocara cati and Toxocara canis, two roundworms that parasitize dogs and cats but can also cause a disease in humans known as larva migrans. Children contract larva migrans when they play in soil that has been contaminated with cat or dog feces. They transfer worm eggs from their hands to their mouths. The eggs hatch in the children's stomachs and the resulting larvae migrate through their bodies before forming cysts under the skin and in body organs. (Dubinsky et al., 1995).



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OMG....I had no idea new
      #207135 - 08/21/05 08:46 AM
Sailing Away

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Carol thank you for the posting. I think this is really informative for all of us. I had no idea those little buggers could carry all that. It makes so much more sense now on how some of these things spread. I think the risk of children from all this is probably even more scary.

Ashley- good luck with all the cleaning.

Michelle

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Poochibelly.... new
      #207166 - 08/21/05 10:16 AM
Dr. Spice Yamin

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I know that you reccomended dcon so I just bought some of that.

my question to you is, did you find the dead mice, or did they die and decompose in areas you could not find?

Also, was the smell unbearable?

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      #207167 - 08/21/05 10:17 AM
Dr. Spice Yamin

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I just bought one of those wave thingys.. I'm not sure if it willl work. Apparently the box said that it will only keep away mice on the counter and can't work through walls or cupboards so we shall see.

did yours help through walls.. or should I assume the thing won't work at all?

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throw it away! new
      #207173 - 08/21/05 10:40 AM
jen1013

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If there is mouse poop on it, then they have most likely peed on the box, too. Ingesting rodent crap can kill you. It's not worth the price of pasta.

Can/would you get a cat? We live out in the country and we struggled with mice for over a year until we finally decided we had no choice but to get a cat. We have two cats now and the mouse problem has virtually disappeared.

DO NOT use mouse poison. We made that mistake. They go off and die somewhere and you go crazy trying to find it, and by the time you find it, the body is this disgusting decomposed mess that you literally have to SCRAPE off the floor. OK, sorry to be gross, but now you know what you're in for!

Use mousetraps. Bait them with peanut butter -- every mouse's favorite food. We've tried several different fancy kinds of mouse traps but the plain old-fashioned ones work the best. The only problem is having to steel yourself to pry up the trap and take the dead mouse out. Luckily in my house it's DH's job to empty the mousetraps.

You can also stuff holes with steel wool -- they won't chew through that. No guarantee they won't just chew a hole right next to the steel wool, though.

Unfortunately, once you get mice, it is really tough to get rid of them. But I wish you luck anyway. Count yourself lucky -- at least you don't have snakes as well, like we do.

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What is it with the snakes? new
      #207180 - 08/21/05 11:11 AM
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I am glad to know that I am not the only Iowan with snake problems. My parents seem to always have two every year in their house. I usually have a few on my patio laying in the sun...which freaks my dog and I out. The steel wool seems to also work against snakes from what I have been told. I personally just rather not have them around.

Good thought about tossing the pasta since where there is poop, there is pee.

Michelle

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Re: throw it away! new
      #207189 - 08/21/05 11:50 AM
Dr. Spice Yamin

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ugh gross.. thanks for the reply!

as for getting a cat.. I'm not the biggest fan of them.. although I would get one if it would help. Problem is that they are only going into the cupboards from the walls. They haven't actually come out into the apartment. So I don't think a cat would have a huge effect.

I live by myself and dont' have a boyfriend so the thought of disposing traps drives me nuts. I did put one down that was covered and guts still leaked out of it. EWWW made me not want to try anymore traps.

Ideally there was only this one guy and I killed him. ha what are the chances that mice travel in ones?

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Re: throw it away! new
      #207196 - 08/21/05 12:16 PM
jen1013

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Where there is one mice, there are many others. Sorry. Just a fact of life! You would be amazed at the tiny spaces they can squeeze through, so most likely you have not seen them elsewhere because they have no interest in moving beyond your nice warm kitchen full of food. A cat will help in that most mice will stay away just because of the scent. But, I would do this as a last resort. I love cats but I am not a good pet owner. I hate litter boxes, I hate cat hair, I hate scratched-up furniture, I hate not being able to leave on a vacation without worrying about them. That's why I fought against the mice for so long.

yuck, why did its guts leak out? Did it sit there a long time? The traps we use just break their necks. No blood and guts involved.

Didn't you say earlier that the association was supposed to take care of pest control? Are they doing anything about it?

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Re: What is it with the snakes? new
      #207197 - 08/21/05 12:21 PM
jen1013

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two per YEAR? We get dozens. Mostly they are in the basement. (we don't kill them ... we "relocate" them a couple miles away to the other side of the river, so sometimes I wonder if they are the same !@#$ing snakes.) We are doing remodeling and have found old snakeskins in the walls and attic, which is pretty creepy. I am pretty used to it by now. We just don't know how to keep them from coming inside. We have an old crumbly limestone foundation and a crawl space under the kitchen and both of these, I think, contribute to the problem.

We had a snake dangling from a crevice in the basement for ages a couple years ago. We tried pulling on it but it wouldn't come out. Eventually it died. I was really sure that we would pull hard on it to get it out and it would come apart or something hideous like that, but it came out in one piece. I felt sorry for the poor guy.

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