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Need Some Reassurance!!!!!!!!
      #66956 - 05/03/04 08:11 AM
Ana Maria

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OK - so i'm thinking i'm a little slow because i'm having trouble understanding the insoluble fibre thing.

Everything was under control - i've looked back in my food diary (great suggestion Bev! ) and see that i was doing well when i was eating the same thing every day - soluble fibre based with a bit of insoluble fibre. I went for a week or so going to the bathroom every day (and i'm a C)

Now i've started eating more insoluble fibre (still with the soluble fibre base) and i'm C again. I'm taking my Acacia (2 TSP/day) and drinking tons of water and peppermint and fennel tea.

I guess i'm just having trouble getting it in my head that the fruit and veggies may be causing the C/"spasms" that cause C... (You know, having been brain-washed to eat "ruffage" for "regularity") and all.

Can you just confirm for me that yes - i should still eat solubles primarily and incorporate insolubles slowly and that yes - fruit and veggies can cause C

Thanks!
Ana

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Here's a Little For Ya new
      #66976 - 05/03/04 08:36 AM
Bevvy

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Ana, I'm a D (never had C), so I can't help you out much here; I'm sorry. But you need the insolubles. Odd that you would have C AFTER incorporating some insolubles into your diet; it would seem that it should be the other way around.

How long has it been since you started adding in the fruit and veggies? Maybe your body is still adjusting. Also, you're taking in 2TSP of acacia a day. Is that Tablespoons? Or Teaspoons? How long have you been at that dosage? Perhaps it's time to being increasing a little bit.

I just think the body needs time to adjust to any big change. Adjusting your soluble fiber supplement is a big change, as well as adding in more fruits and veggies. The body is so incredible sensitive, especially for us IBS-ers.

What kind of fruit are you eating? Any blueberries? They really make me "GO", big time. They're my favorite fruit, so I tend to eat more of them than any other, but I have to use them sparingly because, well, I'm a D, and as I said they make me go. Give them a try -- but only a few. How about some home made blueberry pancakes? With wild blueberry jam -- oooooh baby!

Someone else will have to confirm that fruit and veggies cause C -- cause I have a hard time believing it's true. But you're not at all "slow," don't think that. If anything, your body is slow -- slow to adjust. Just like all of us. Be gentle with yourself, Girlfriend.

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Re: Need Some Reassurance!!!!!!!! new
      #67004 - 05/03/04 10:00 AM
Katy6170

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in my experience (I'm a C too) fruits and veggies are just incredibly hard for my body to process and digest properly. But you still have to eat them, in whatever quantity you can handle, because they are so darn good for you. I find that bananas in my oatmeal are alright, and I sneak in raw tomatoes and peeled cucumbers into sandwiches without a problem. I think it's just trial and error until you find what works for you.
Also, try different insoluable fiber suppliments. Some will work better for you than others. I like taking Citrucel powder in the morning and at night, and a couple of Fibercon tablets every single time I eat and whenever my belly starts feeling empty.
Hope that helped!

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Re: Here's a Little For Ya new
      #67005 - 05/03/04 10:02 AM
Ana Maria

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Thanks for your reply Bev

I've also had a hard time understanding how the fruit/veggies can make me C. I had sort of assumed that for C'ers, rather than getting D when eating insolubles our colons just seize up when we eat insolubles??? Not sure - maybe Heather or someone else can help enlighten me!

I'm now taking 2 teaspoons Acacia - with breakfast and with dinner. I had been up to 3 Tablespoons a day but there was a delay in getting my next batch in the mail so I was off it for about a week - I'm starting to take it again slowly as I wasn't on any fiber supplement for a week...

Blueberries - love em! Great minds.... That's precisely what I've been trying to use to get me going...mostly in my fruit smoothies in the morning with banana and sometimes with strawberries too. No worries about quantity though - sometimes I eat a lot of them (a few tablespoons in the smoothie with banana and soy milk) and still no go

Hope I'm right about the insolubles causing C / "seizing" up the plumbing - if not I'm really lost!

Ana

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Re: Need Some Reassurance!!!!!!!! new
      #67062 - 05/03/04 12:45 PM
LauraSue

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Can you just confirm for me that yes - i should still eat solubles primarily and incorporate insolubles slowly and that yes - fruit and veggies can cause C




Ana, that's definitely my understanding, although I'm a D so I don't know from experience, just from reading Heather's books.

Any more C's out there to help Ana on this??

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Bev - wild blueberry jam -- oooooh baby! YEAH BABY!! -nt- new
      #67064 - 05/03/04 12:46 PM
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Are Bananas Constipating? new
      #67089 - 05/03/04 01:42 PM
Bevvy

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I heard once that bananas (like cheese) "bind you up." Is that true? I don't know because I've never had a problem in that department! I am SOOOOO a D!

Ana, it sounds like you're doing everything right. I just wonder about the bananas ....

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Re: Here's a Little For Ya new
      #67099 - 05/03/04 02:08 PM
Jennifer Rose

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I've also had a hard time understanding how the fruit/veggies can make me C. I had sort of assumed that for C'ers, rather than getting D when eating insolubles our colons just seize up when we eat insolubles??? Not sure - maybe Heather or someone else can help enlighten me!




Okay, someone may have to correct me if I'm wrong but here's what I picture in my mind about my colon:

I'm an IBS-Cer, and when I eat insoluble fibers (fruits and vegetables included), it's a "rough" fiber - not smooth like the other soluble fibers. Your body is taking tons of nutrients and vitamins from the insoluble fiber, causing it not to absorb as much water by the time it reaches the large intestines. Where as soluble fiber does not contain as many nutrients and vitamins, allowing it to absorb more water and pass through the large intestines more easily.

That might be an off the wall answer, but was the only idea that I could come up with.

- Jennifer

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Re: Are Bananas Constipating? new
      #67116 - 05/03/04 02:32 PM
rox1

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I've also heard that bananas are constipating. I'm an IBS-D, sometimes IBS-A, so I've been staying away from bananas.

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Heather - you're a C aren't you? new
      #67142 - 05/03/04 04:46 PM
Ana Maria

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just wondered if you might add your thoughts to this thread as you wrote the book on it!

I used to think bananas cause C (along with rice) but since I've been on this diet I saw that bananas are soluble fibre so I gobbled them up!

I've looked on the site for the quote and can't find it but I think somewhere here or in one of your books you say that folks with C are afraid to eat the way the diet stipulates because they feel many of the foods are "binding".

Is it that fruits and veggies - the insoluble part/ones - can cause C? The week that I didn't take a fibre supplement I was having strawberry/bananas smoothies EVERY MORNING and usually white rice with chicken and veggies / tuna sandwiches on white begal / your glorious lemon bread / Miso soup / hummus and pita / rice pudding / English muffins... I was having a movement around the same time every day and it was not painful AT ALL. It was HEAVENNNNNNNNNNN!

Do C'ers need to be careful of the fruits/veggies as they can cause C?

Thanks - sorry for the rambling!!!!!!
Ana

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I wonder too! I always used to think that before I went on this diet-nt new
      #67143 - 05/03/04 04:47 PM
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Re: Are Bananas Constipating? new
      #67147 - 05/03/04 04:58 PM
Ericasmom

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I would assume so, because bananas are part of the B.R.A.T. diet that has been recommended by Drs. for many years to treat diarrhea (bananas, rice, applesauce, and toast)

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Re: Heather - you're a C aren't you? new
      #67412 - 05/04/04 01:17 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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Hi - I think you've got it. Basically, insoluble fiber (like bran, raw fibrous veggies, salad greens, unpeeled fruits) will relieve constipation IF you have a normal gut. If you have IBS, insoluble fiber can trigger violent GI spasms that can be very painful. These spasms can actually seize up the colon muscles in a type "charley horse", which then results in no motility and constipation once again.

But - for general GI health and overall good health, you need to eat insoluble fiber. Your goal is actually to each as much of it as possible, and it's possible to eat a lot of it if you do so carefully.

What happened to your morning fruit smoothies and your hummus? Those are really good ideas. You can also increase your fruits/veggies that are high soluble fiber, like root veggies and mangoes - they're also really nutritious.

You certainly don't want to avoid insoluble fiber altogether - there's info here gotta eat it! as to how and why.

Also, 2 tsp a day of the Acacia really isn't much. Try to keep gradually increasing that and working up to 3 tablespoons a day.

Here's the quote you're looking for (it's in the diet FAQ):

In general, people with constipation are afraid to eat the soluble fiber foods (for some reason I've never gotten to the bottom of they're thought of as "binding"), but not afraid of the supplements because they're usually marketed as laxatives (though they're technically not). On the other hand, people with diarrhea are comfortable with the soluble fiber foods but terrified to try the supplements, because they feel (quite understandably) that a "laxative" is the last thing they need. I spend a lot of time volleying back and forth trying to convince both groups of folks that a diet based on soluble fiber, avoiding the trigger foods, and carefully incorporating insoluble fiber, will only help and not hurt them, no matter what their specific IBS symptoms.

Personally, I'm more pain-predominant than anything, though there's diarrhea with the pain more often than constipation. Sometimes constipation follows an attack, so in that regard I guess I'm alternating d and c.

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No, no no - they're not constipating new
      #67413 - 05/04/04 01:20 PM
HeatherAdministrator

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They're high in soluble fiber - like all soluble fibers, they'll just help stabilize the gut and relieve both diarrhea and constipation.

Why are they thought of as "binding"? This drives me bananas!

- H

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I Was Just Asking.... new
      #67421 - 05/04/04 01:43 PM
Bevvy

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Sorry Heather; didn't mean to drive you "bananas," I was just wondering. It was a dirty, viscious, rumor I had heard many years ago -- an old wives' tale, if you will -- that bananas, like cheese, are "binding." So I just asked if they were.

They're not binding for me, but then NOTHING is! I am SUCH a D! Too bad I love blueberries so much.....

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The cheese idea mystifies me too.... new
      #67452 - 05/04/04 02:34 PM
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can't think of anything that would send me bolting for the bathroom faster than something covered in lots of hot greasy cheese. Binding is the last word I'd use...

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Re: The Only Time I Was a "C" new
      #67474 - 05/04/04 03:01 PM
Bevvy

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Actually, back in 1967, hubby and I went on the "Martinis & Whipped Cream" diet. It was pre-Atkins and pre-Scarsdale, but pretty much the same. Absolutely NO fruit or veggies, NO bread or pasta or rice -- well, no carbs! We ate dead animal carcass, like cow or pig (ew) and plenty of cheese -- as much as we wanted.

Hubby and I have never been big meat eaters, so we ate mostly cheese. LOTS OF CHEESE! We had lots of wine and Jack (of course), and yes, even martinis. I made tons of chocolate pudding with milk and plenty of whipped cream -- yep, the real stuff.

I lost 30 pounds. And was SOOOO constipated! I never had that before (or since), and I gotta tell ya, it HURT. Finally, after weeks of not going, I sat on the pot and forced it. I was in there for at least an hour -- my legs were going numb from sitting there. When I finally went, Heather, it was painful, VERRRRRY painful.

I delivered a football!

Never again.

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Re: The Only Time I Was a "C" new
      #67477 - 05/04/04 03:05 PM
tarabara04

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The idea of that diet sends me running to the bathroom even though I'm IBS-A and tend to be mainly C (although lately, D). Yikes Ick. Owwwwieeeee Ouch. I need my heating pad. Okay. Sorry. I'll calm down now.

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Thank you Heather for clearing that up for me...I'll keep at it! -nt new
      #67488 - 05/04/04 04:02 PM
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I can't even imagine. I probably shouldn't even try. -nt- new
      #67521 - 05/04/04 05:27 PM
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Re: Here's a Little For Ya new
      #67599 - 05/04/04 11:01 PM
Rebecca

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I am both C and D. And sometimes at the same time; meaning: I even have to push out D sometimes! Weird huh?
Well, when I have C I use 100% Pure Psyllium Husk. It's called Colon Cleanse. You can buy it at the health food store. I have tried everything ( I do mean everything) when it came to C. Because even the gentlest laxatives give me D immediately! And a whole lot of pain! But this Colon Cleanse was the only laxative that I have ever used that hasn't made me feel like someone was pulling barbed wire through my intestines. So I highly recommend it! My grandma even uses it! She is the one who told me about it and gave me a bottle of it! You take one tablespoon with 8 ounces of juice or tea. I recommend hot tea with it (peppermint or red raspberry leaf), since most juice is a trigger for me. Then drink one more 8 ounce glass of water right after; as a chaser (or juice if you like ), and it works for me within 5 to 6 hours. I don't take it often; because, like I said I get D easily; but if I have C it works painlessly. Actually, the first time I used it, it was painful- not the part when I went to the bathroom- but right after I took it I experienced some bloating. But that only happened once. It was probably because it reacted with something I had eaten prior to taking it, because it only happened the first time I took it. My grandma takes hers right before she goes to bed. I take mine in the morning. It just all depends on how your body works for you.
For you D er's out there ( since I am both ) I have found something that has soothed my bowels for when I have D; which seems to be often enough. It's called : Aloe Vera Gel. I know what you might be thinking, "isn't that the stuff people put on sunburns?" Yup, that's the one. You can also take it internally to sooth the intestines. The brand I use is Lily of the Desert. I take 2 tablespoons once a day in juice (or 1 ounce). But the suggested dose is 2 to 8 oz. I couldn't stomach 8 oz. So I take as much as I can handle. You can add it to your smoothies instead of just plain juice.
Also you can put it in soy or rice milk.
Caution: Some say that Aloe causes bowel movement. So do what you know is best for you if you have D. But Since I have both D and C it works for me just to sooth my colon, it doesn't make me go, but that's me.
Don't take it during pregnancy or while nursing!
In some woman it can promote menstruation when it's suppressed. Also it can heal skin problems when taken internally, like: psoriasis and eczema.
But for the most part it just soothes irritations internally and externally. Like with all herbs you have to take it for at least 3 months before you may see a difference. But if you don't see any change within a year then try something else. At least that's what I do LOL!
Sorry about rambling on and on like this, but one last thing I want to mention. If any of you are like me and can't have chocolate ( it gives me cramps ) then try carob powder instead. It tastes really delicious, kinda like chocolate except without the caffeine effect. It's milder.


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Re: Need Some Reassurance!!!!!!!! new
      #67603 - 05/04/04 11:30 PM
MissS

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I'm a C and I definitely have problems with fruits and vegeys. They don't help me with C at all. I've learned that the solubles are the BEST thing for me. I have to be very careful with insoluble fiber. It really messes with my intestinal system. I've also learned through trial and error, which ones are worse for me. I know how hard it is to forget what we've been taught our whole lives. If our guts were normal, insoluble would be great and do what "they" say. But, not so for us. It really does cause my C to get worse. I'll have D, then C. So, I have to be very careful with insoluble and eat it after i've had plenty of soluble. I don't worry about it as much as I used to. I feel great with more soluble, less insoluble. So, that's what I eat!

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Re: No, no no - they're not constipating new
      #67604 - 05/04/04 11:34 PM
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They're really not constipating! Bananas are wonderful! I eat a couple everyday, and I'm a C, and they help. I used to hear they were C-ing, too, but as a result of this diet, I've learned otherwise. Bananas are IBS friendly!

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