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welcome Shelli,
I am sure NONE of us are thrilled to be here but I am thankful this place is here. If anyone is newly diagnosed this place helps TONS, good place to get advice, support,questions answered u name it. Hang in there.
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Chicken and turkey are okay, right? If so, ground turkey tastes just like ground beef if it is seasoned like for tacos or something like that. I'm still learning here so let me know.
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it really is a universal trigger. Just about anyone who says they're okay with meat is still having problems, because the saturated fat and proteins are so difficult to digest. Even meat just once or twice a week is enough to keep the cycle of gut disruption going...and going...and going.  It's one of the most constipating foods you can eat...but the fats/proteins can also trigger diarrhea and cramps.
So I know this is probably my denial talking because I LOVE a rare steak, but this confuses me. With almost all other foods, the conventional wisdom here is that it is individual, everybody's triggers are different, etc. etc. -- but this is NOT the case for red meat? 
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-- be sure to buy extra lean ground turkey. Dark poultry "meat" is a trigger, so you want to be sure that ground turkey is the leanest you can get; if you can have the butcher grind the breast meat for you, that's your best bet.
I always buy Foster Farm's extra-lean; I know it's lean because when I make my meatloaf with it there's nothing to "drain" out from the pan when it's done. The meat loaf comes out drier because there's less fat for moisture. However, I prefer the dryness to the fat anyday!
There I go rambling again. In answer to your question: yes, ground turkey is fine.
HOWEVER, have you ever tried soy? Sometimes I substitute soy for ground turkey or turkey sausage; it's very good. The only time I didn't like the soy sausage was in my spaghetti sauce; the taste was all off.
Rambling again.
Yes to ground turkey.
Bev
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it really is a universal trigger. Just about anyone who says they're okay with meat is still having problems, because the saturated fat and proteins are so difficult to digest. Even meat just once or twice a week is enough to keep the cycle of gut disruption going...and going...and going. It's one of the most constipating foods you can eat...but the fats/proteins can also trigger diarrhea and cramps.
So I know this is probably my denial talking because I LOVE a rare steak, but this confuses me. With almost all other foods, the conventional wisdom here is that it is individual, everybody's triggers are different, etc. etc. -- but this is NOT the case for red meat?
I guess it's kind of like dairy and coffee... it's one of those foods that contains things that just aren't healthy for us. 
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So I know this is probably my denial talking because I LOVE a rare steak, but this confuses me. With almost all other foods, the conventional wisdom here is that it is individual, everybody's triggers are different, etc. etc. -- but this is NOT the case for red meat?
Well, I totally disagree with conventional wisdom when it comes to diet and IBS. First of all, I think it's completely unhelpful to tell someone that everyone's triggers are different, so just find your own. That gives them no starting point whatsoever. "Conventional wisdom" for many years held that IBS was a mental problem - then it held that diet had no bearing on IBS whatsoever. Then it was that people needed a "high fiber" diet. Now (finally!) conventional wisdom, at least what's coming out in the actual research studies, recognizes the vast difference in how IBS folks respond to soluble fiber supplements (good) vs. insoluble fiber supplements (not good).
IBS is a defined medical disorder - anyone who has this diagnosis is considered, by definition, to have a dysfunctional GI nervous system. If we have the same underlying disorder, and we're given the same drugs and medical treatments, then to me it is ludicrous to say that our diets will all just be an individual thing. Either we have a gut problem (and thus solution) in common, or we don't.
Even more opposed to the conventional wisdom of diet and IBS is the fact that EVERYBODY'S gut responds the same way to several categories of food - soluble fiber, insoluble fiber, and fat. Fats and insoluble fibers are GI tract stimulants. Coffee is a stimulant and irritant. Alcohol and tobacco are irritants. Soluble fiber regulates gut muscle contractions and normalizes water content in the bowel, resolving both diarrhea and constipation. This is just basic human biology - it's simply playing a much more important role if you have a dysfunctional gut (and will have more extreme effects) than if you have a normal gut.
So...when a food is extremely difficult to digest, due to saturated fats and animal proteins the body has one hell of a time breaking down, and when the food has zero fiber and a very low water content, and when it's so clearly unfriendly to the gut that it actually raises your colon cancer risk...then I say conventional wisdom is pretty frickin' stupid if it STILL says that hey, this food (red meat) may or may not be a problem for you if you have IBS. I think that in this case, and with the vast majority of dietary concerns overall with IBS, triggers are not just an individual thing at all. They'll fall pretty clearly into the same categories for everyone. There may be some shades of gray betweeen one person and another, but there's also one hell of a lot of black and white.
My two cents....
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Heather,
I totally see what you're saying about IBS being a physical disorder and that all categories of food should affect all IBS people. I respect your knowledge and years of research on IBS so I hope I don't come across offensive, but my question is then how do you explain that some IBS people do in fact do okay with red meat. I don't remember the name now but I read somebody's post who said she eats a steak once a week and doesn't have an attack. And I'm really confused why my IBS suddenly returned. I've been virtually symptom-free for 13 years (except for maybe 1 or 2 minor attacks per year) and now suddenly it's back. HOw could I eat red meat, dairy, fried foods etc all this time and not have problems? There must be some factors that cause your gut to start responding abnormally; it seems for some people it comes and goes.
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Hi - IBS can come and go, for some people there are months or even years where they have zero problems. And then it can come back...sometimes for no apparent reason at all.
My point about diet is that if someone is having IBS symptoms, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to eat foods that are GI irritants, carcinogens, or just plain stimulants that are likely to overload the nervous system of their gut. I'd say that unless someone is eating a trigger food regularly, and going months on end without problem, it shouldn't be discounted as a potential problem food. It's really impossible to know if something is truly a trigger if you continue to eat it, continue to have problems, but just assume that the trigger is not what is causing you problems. It's easy to do this with foods that aren't fun to give up - and red meat and dairy fit the bill for many folks. Unless someone is just rock solid stable, and has been for many weeks or months, making a meal out of a trigger food once a week is just too often, and is likely causing problems. At the very least eliminating the food completely for a while will let them know what's really going on... it just may not be what they're hoping for.
Personally, red meat would be the food I just wouldn't want to make any exceptions for. Zero health benefits, lots of health risks, and probably the single worst thing you could put in your colon, especially on a regular (and weekly is definitely regular) basis. That would be often enough to continue chronic constipation, and trigger many days' worth of diarrhea and pain.
- H
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I still eat red meat, and I am fine.
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I absolutely agree with heather. much as we don't know enough about the science of ibs, food is science. each food has its own unique structure, which impacts upon the digestive system in its own way. certain compounds create more havoc for the gut then others. these are universal triggers. you can fine tune the rest of the question marked ones..
even if someone CAN eat a steak once a week, that is not to say it is doing the gut anything positive even if an attack doesn't follow. i really believe my downfall this summer (5 months of the worst ibs hell i have known in my ten years of suffering) was because I kept eating wholegrains and ignoring my body's extremley subtle reactions and then BOOM it crashed.
red meat is just not neccessary...it may taste good but gives a healthy adult nothing that they cannot get from other, healthier sources.
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