Syl
#335504 - 09/02/08 08:23 AM
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Syl,
Have you ever read the Book "Fiber Meance"?? If so, what are your thoughts on this? Of course, the guy is trying to promote is product here as well, and if we follow his protocol, no more digestive issues!!!
Thanks for your input.
Sharon
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Re: Syl
#335507 - 09/02/08 09:12 AM
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Fen
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I've not heard of the book or the protocol - what is the gist of it??
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Re: Syl
#335514 - 09/02/08 10:40 AM
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Zara
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This post got me curious, too. I found this editorial review on Amazon that sort of tells us what to expect from the book.
"My training as a physician included many hours of nutrition, but fiber was only mentioned in regards to the effects of a deficiency. Never once did any of my professors consider the possibility that too much of what has always been considered a good thing' could have such harmful or far-reaching consequences. The author's detailed description of the trauma imposed to the gastrointestinal mucosa by the expanding fiber is a vivid reminder that returning to the basics of GI function and logically thinking through what our bodies actually are designed to do with the food we eat, should be the first step on anyone's journey to recovery from digestive disorders. Thanks to the insights in this book I have slowly begun to change my approach to common patient symptoms, which I traditionally would have treated by suggesting increased fiber and more water to correct! So far the results are promising. Dr. John Turner, DC, CCSP, DIBCN --Wise Traditions Newsletter by Weston A. Price foundation"
Here's also a link to the author's web site.
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Edited by Zara (09/02/08 10:57 AM)
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Re: Syl
#335515 - 09/02/08 11:04 AM
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Hi Fen,
The gist of it is to eliminate fiber from the diet, fiber being the culprit of many medical issues.
Here are a couple of excerpts:
RESTORING NATURAL BOWEL MOVEMENTS
by Konstantin Monastyrsky
Dietary fiber, eight glasses of water, and a low-fat diet — the sacred cows of American nutritional dogma — break natural bowel movements, and cause hard stools, irregularity, constipation, or constipation-predominant IBS. When patients seek medical help, they are routinely recommended to add more fiber, drink more water, and reduce fat even further. This misguided and harmful advice guarantees chronic constipation, hemorrhoids, and diverticulosis to virtually anyone, and it is behind the epidemics of inflammatory bowel disease and colon cancer. This guide condemns this pig-headed practice and teaches you how to restore natural bowel movements without resorting to fiber and laxatives.
Myth #11: Fiber is safe and effective for the treatment and prevention of diarrhea.
Reality: Actually, it's the complete opposite—fiber, particularly soluble, is the most common cause of diarrhea in children and adults. That's why it's recommended as a laxative to begin with. The idea of fiber as a preventive treatment for diarrhea is one of the most preposterous and harmful fiber-related frauds.
Author's note:
As you can see, it isn't me who has gone postal over fiber. I am just a messenger—and a darn lucky one, because my diet is mercifully fiber-free, and fiber no longer wrecks my health.
Of course, he has a link to his "store".
He is also very much against colonoscopies. Well, if a friend of mine had had a colonoscopy when she first had symptoms she would be alive today.
I've also read that some countries eat WAY more fiber than us westerners and Don't have the digestive issues we have!!!
here is the website:
http://www.fibermenace.com/
If you have a chance, check it out and I'd love to know your thoughts on this.
Thanks.
Sharon
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Re: Syl
#335517 - 09/02/08 11:50 AM
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Fen
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I'm at work so I only perused the website briefly, but my question is this: all food has some fiber content in it, except for animal products. What does this guy recommend we eat? Meat and dairy only???
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Re: Syl
#335522 - 09/02/08 12:13 PM
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Zara
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I am also confused about this. I've been reading different reviews of this book, as well as some info on the website. It seems that he actually doesn't recommend eating dairy and wheat (casein and gluten are supposedly hard to digest), and he recommends eating meat/eggs only once a day. So, I'm wondering, what's left  ?
A few reviews I read suggested that readers would have benefited had he included some dietary guidelines as for what to eat (he seems to focus more on what not to eat).
I'm curious about this book; however, I can't get it here in the CR and I can't justify spending the same amount on shipping as on the actual book.
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Misguided ...
#335527 - 09/02/08 12:59 PM
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Syl
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Other than removing all fruit and vegetables there is no way to eliminate soluble or insoluble fiber from your diet. At first I thought he was only talking about IF but after reading some of the info on his web site I see he is talking about IF and SF.
One thing I found very amusing is that some supplements sold on the web site contain FOS (fructooligosaccharide or inulin) which is a soluble fiber. It is also known to cause problems to many IBSers. For IBSers with fructose problem FOS and inulin can be a nightmare. Another supplement contains acacia too. Strange
You can read much of the Fiber Menace through Google pages. In the summary on page 42 he says "Soluble fiber causes osmotic diarrhea because it retains water inside the large intestine". This is just wrong! So are many of the other observations. 
One of reasons I like Heather's EFI diet is that generally it follows well accepted dietary guidelines. Of course, it has to be tweaked a bit by each person to handle their unique circumstances.
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Re: Syl
#335529 - 09/02/08 01:11 PM
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Zara
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I keep thinking about this...maybe by cutting out fiber-containing foods he's talking about taking the conventional approach. Here we all know that all grains contain fiber, even the refined ones (difference between dietary and functional fiber). However; most people believe that only whole grains contain fiber but things like refined flour and white rice don't. So maybe he recommends eating lots of white rice? I read somewhere (I think it was Mark Pimentel's book) that refined carbs are absorbed higher up in the GI tract and don't make it down to the colon. But then this would contradict with what Heather says about soluble fiber in these carbs, how they make that gel in our colon to help with IBS. Anyway, maybe Monastyrsky means the same thing as Pimentel, that by eating white carbs we absorb them before they hit the colon, therefore nothing's left there to ferment, etc.
So many different approaches - how do I know which one is the one for me ? I should have been born a guinea pig because that's how I feel sometimes  !
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Re: Syl
#335530 - 09/02/08 01:31 PM
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Here are his recommendations on what to eat:
adequate amounts of dietary fats.
high content mineral water (2-4 glasses per day) he says 8 8 oz. glasses is way too much.
natural meat and organ meat from small free-range grazing animals.
All fowl.
Eggs.
Fermented dairy from free-range animals.
fatty fish.
moderate consumption of salt.
moderate consumption of wine.
I could find nothing on fruits and veggies!!
HERE'S HIS COMMENTS ON GRAMS OF FIBER
Teenagers and adults: Similar amounts of fiber are recommended for teenagers and adults—from 26 to 38 g (0.9–1.3 oz) daily. If you consume that much fiber, it means large stools, inevitable anorectal damage, and eventual dependence on fiber to move the bowels.
The elderly: As people get older, less fiber is recommended (not more, as one may think) because the digestive organs are no longer as agile and healthy. Unfortunately, this is not what most constipated elderly patients hear from medical professionals. The majority urge seniors to increase fiber consumption in order to relieve constipation. Even so, 20 to 30 g (0.7–1.0 oz) of fiber for people over 50, half of whom already suffer from hemorrhoidal disease (and from diverticular disease by the age of 60) is a prescription for trouble.
Of course, he claims that if everyone follows his guidelines, no more IBS, hemrrhoids, etc.
I could not find any real "diet" to follow. Maybe it's in his book. Yes, it made a lot of sense reading it, but so do other sources pushing the fiber. Again, he is trying to sell his book and his products.
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Re: Syl
#335533 - 09/02/08 02:06 PM
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Zara,
I didn't see anything about eating rice. Also, did you read his recommendation for water (2-4 glasses per day). He believes we get the rest of what we need through food. I agree with you....so many approaches. Sometimes I think too much research gets to be overwhelming.
Syl: Do you feel his approach is a bunch of bunk then??
Sharon
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