ok but talking about cleanses
#229490 - 12/05/05 04:49 PM
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I watched an infomercial about cleansing on Sunday and I am curious about the whole thing. I know my gut is ultra sensitive and doing anything to upset it is a bad idea. Yet I do believe I am loaded down with unpassed stool and grunge. Everytime I am x-rayed I appear C when I am not. I am going to the doc to talk about it next Wednesday. I am curious if cleansing out that stuff will lead to less bloating like they say. Frankly nothing can be done about bloating. Even when I am stable I bloat often and most of the winter. I wonder if there is some way to cleanse out the gunk without adverse reactions. I don't want a cleanser like Dual Action Cleanse that requires repeated applications! That is so stupid. But I will tell you frankly that besides fennel tea there is nothing to really benefit bloating and Heather's diet really does little for bloating. So I am confused about what I should do and I am anxious to see what my doctor will say next week. (I want to ask her about melatonin usage.)
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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about Cleansing and he said to do it if I wanted to commit suicide. So, tread lightly!! I thought he was going to cuss me out!!! He did not take very well to it at all. So, I didn't even mention the fact that I was taking slippery elm. He probably would have banned me from ever going to his office again......He was not happy that I asked him about that. He told me to stay off of the internet!! (Trying to find ways to fix my problems without drugs).
LOL!! I think it's pretty hilarous, myself. But, if you don't take well to people yelling at you, tread lightly about talking to doctor's about natural remedies unless you KNOW they are cool with that kind of thing.
Good Luck and let us know how it goes!!!
I'm anxious to hear what he/she says about it!!
Michelle 
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Normally medical doctors don't want to hear anything about natural remedies because they're really not taught that in medical school. The main reason they're not taught that is because pharmacutical companies pay quite a lot for medical schools to teach about their drugs, and not natural medicines.
Please read my reply to a previous discussion about cleanses. http://www.helpforibs.com/messageboards/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=diet&Number=229495&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&vc=1
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My doc has talked about the problems with homeopathy before, but I am not necessarily wanting to talk about natural remedies. I am wanting to discuss what is inside my intestines and how to get it out, why my IBS is so bad in winter and what can really be done for bloating. I would try an actual medical drug if needed. Personally, I scoff at the idea of toxins in the body causing every sort of problem. My skin and hair are great, no headaches, no trouble sleeping, no depression, so those cleanses focusing on those things don't intrigue me too much.
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IBS-A for 20 years with terrible bloating and gas. On the diet since April 2004. Remember this from Heather's information pages:
"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Well maybe there are cases where it might be beneficial...you're pretty stable otherwise, aren't you, so it's not like you haven't tried other stuff! IBS is so complex and there are so many things that should be included in the excusion diagnosis but that get missed or haven't been thought of. Talk to your doc.
It's interesting that you look C in an x-ray!
Btw, my bloating is sorted with Heather's diet - completely! So maybe you do have something else going on as well as the IBS?
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I think D bloating is less severe than C bloating IMHO. But my doc is very curious as to why I am always C in x-rays. She wanted to do an impromptu xray last year to see how I would show up. My GI doc says that if a person has occassional D then they can't have backed up gunk, but I don't know about that. My family have tortuous colons with lots of twists and turns and that might be leading to problems. Hmm I smell a colonoscopy coming on! 
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Little Minnie,would you mind sharing the name of the cleansing program? Is it a product you buy and do yourself? Or would you go to someone? I'm assuming it's a product since it was being advertised.
I must admit, I have/am thinking of doing this as well.  The things I've heard about the outcomes have been pretty positive. And,like you, I am still bloated on this diet. I always show C in exams and x-rays. And I hated Zelnorm.
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And I used to be bloated 24 hours a day and often to such an extent I looked at least 6 months pg. It was one of my worst symptoms and that's saying something!
Yep, aren't extra long and twisty colons a medical condition anyway? Sounds like you need to treat/control the issues from that as well as the IBS.
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I don't think your doc is right on that one. I've heard of people with Chrohne's that had a lot of D, did a cleanse, and a lot of mucodial plaque (the gunk stuck to your intestinal walls) came out.
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Wow, I've never seen or heard of anyone getting that bloated. Glad you're feeling better.
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Michelle, My GI doc had the exact same response from info I
found on the web. I told him about Sinead's antispasmodic,
Colofax. He said, "First of all, it's not FDA approved, It's
a Dutch drug, and I can't get it for you. Furthermore, Stop
wasting your time on the internet, and believing all that's
there!" -Bob
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Hi Minnie, I've seen the statement that stool toxins have
never been shown to migrate out of the colon and cause toxic
problems elsewhere in the body on several websites, and have
asked at least a half dozen doctors about it, and they've
all said that this business about stool toxins escaping the
colon and wrecking havoc elsewhere is pure baloney. -Bob
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The one that got me thinking was Dual Action Cleanse, but it is expensive and is supposed to be done every other month! I have mostly decided against it and think it is probably a money-making scheme.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Thanks for the info Bob!
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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That is good news. I am not really bloated in summer too badly, but never am completely bloat free. And in winter I bloat every day to some extent. It is great that you don't. Obviously though I do think very highly of everything I have learned here of course!
I will talk to my doc about the twisty colon next week too.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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These Doctors cannot stand that there is even an internet now....he says all his patients go on the internet and try to "self-diagnose" now, and they don't even know anything about medicine. I like having access to all of this info because my doctor is the one that doesn't have a CLUE!!!! LOL!!! I am getting better WITHOUT HIM!! Isn't that funny......
Michelle
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Hi LittleMinnie!
I only know what everyone else has read on here about cleanses being traumatic to your system, so I can't really give any advice but I was just wondering if you have ever had a colonoscopy done and had to get all cleared out for that?
I know that when I had mine done, the pains and bloating I got from taking the stuff to clear me out was absolute agony and I couldn't be PAID to do it again.
I am thinking if you've had it done and it was fine, then maybe you'd be better off than if you had a similar reaction than I did.
Just a thought!
Oddly enough, I have maybe gone C a couple of times but I am always, always D. I ended up in the ER one time in England a while back, with severe pains after not being able to "go" for like 4 days. They gave me pain meds and all of a sudden, I had to go like a million times. I felt completely emptied out, but when they x-rayed me, they said I was all backed up and full of "crap", for lack of a better word.  I wonder if I were to just go for a regular x-ray one day, what it would show. Weird.
Good luck, let us know what you decide and how everything goes!
Cheers,
--Steph
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no I have not yet had one, but will in the next few years. I did do the prep once and nothing came out! My doc was pretty curious about why. I had very loose D, but only the amount I would normally go in one day and then just water. So it was a failure. It made me nauseous and was annoying but didn't bother too much.
Yep it is all weird. 
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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I have one more thing to add to this post that I forgot to mention before. Although I do support cleanses, I don't support all cleanses. I myself go to both a doctor and a naturopath. Each is aware that I go to the other, and they are aware what medicine or supplement I am taking. I wouldn't choose any old cleanse and do it on my own, it should be done under some kind of supervision because some cleanses might be too rigorous, or strong for your body. The goal is to reach a herxheimer reaction, but too much too soon is not too good for your body all at once, it should be more gradual.
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Michelle, Yes, and not too surprising. The Doc's don't like
the fact that they're being held to a higher standard like
everybody else. If a student came in and
asked me a calculus question, and I told him I can tell you
what the problem is but I can't solve it for you, I'd be flat
out fired. Right now, this unfortunately does not happen
with doctors, -Bob .
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Sure thing! -Bob
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OH, I know.......And Bob, you hit the nail right on the head!! They are being held to a higher standard, now, and they don't like it. Soooo true!!!
Michelle
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