where are all the C people?
#228549 - 12/01/05 01:24 PM
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Cyndy
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I feel all alone. No more posts from Angela, Fishnets, Rachel, Ginger, Michele, Michelle, Shannon, Chrissy...etc.
Has everyone abandoned the diet? Is it more helpful for D? It seems like it. I just want to feel better...no matter what diet I have to follow. How do I know it's time to give up on this one? How long until I know it's not going to work for me?
Does this diet work for everyone with IBS? Or just some?
I love this website and all the cool people...it just honestly seems like there is more hope/posts for the D and A's than the Cs.
And I know Bamagrl and Astrochick are C and they give me hope that it works for some Cers. I know they are still here.
Just scared why I'm not getting better on this IBS diet.
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I'm here and I'm IBC-C... sometimes A for about a month at a time.....IBS has it's own personality I tell ya!!
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Hey!
#228552 - 12/01/05 01:32 PM
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bamagirl
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I wouldn't worry about sticking "strictly" to the diet. Use the priciples of the diet and find what works for you. Don't try to do "exactly" like anyone. You are individual in your IBS and will have to patiently try and find what works best for you.
I'm sorry you are discouraged. Hang in there! Being a C is tough for me too, because I often lose patience when trying to stabilize. I had a great time over Thanksgiving when I thought I would have trouble, but now that I'm back at work, I'm having some symptoms. For me, it is all about stress!
Hang in there! Don't give up! And keep asking questions and talking to folks. That helps the most.
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Heh - actually, I think the people that the diet works for tend to not post as much. If you're not having problems, there's not much to say!
The diet works for C, but the diet alone is not enough. Exercise and stress relief are key....
--AC
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besides you and Astrochick, it doesn't even seem like the Cs on the board follow this diet, which confuses me. So many C folks are eating wholegrains and not doing this diet with SF before IF...or not taking SFS. They eat shredded wheats for breakfast without care. That isn't following this diet, but it works for them.
How do I know which way I need to go? My doctor says to eat tons of fiber (All Bran, flax, veggies, fruit, brown rice, millet). He doesn't believe in SF before IF either.
It just concerns me that so many C people have either left the boards or aren't following the diet anyhow. This is so frustrating and I like yes/no, clear cut answers. Like with the debate over whether bananas are okay or not for C people. If Raisin Bran and shredded wheat is okay for my breakfast. If the SFS is actually causing more problems. And how some can eat yogurt and onions and garlic.
I don't expect answers....just needing to vent my fears and confusion and get some support. Thank you for that Bamagrl.
Tell me, what did you have for Thanksgiving? I'm curious!
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I'm glad you feel comfortable venting. It is scary to not know what to eat. When I was at my worst, I WAS afraid to eat! But, I had to get past that. See, for me, I can't eat a lot of rice...makes me worse. I can't eat banana's or I get worse...things that are SF and "safe". My Acacia had made all the difference for me, but for some, have made them so sick. I wish there were answers, but you just need to have patience and find what works just for you.
As to what I ate for Thanksgiving...you don't want to know!! It was too much!! My only "rule" was single servings and leave the desserts alone. Too much food makes me hurt and the desserts are so rich that after a full meal, I would hurt anyway. So, basically, I ate it all...turkey, dressings, salad, rolls, casseroles, soups, chili, if it wasn't tied down, a spoonfull went on my plate. There were 25 of us for lunch and supper for three days. It was a LOT of food!
BUT, I was relaxed and having fun, never had seconds, no desserts, and I was FINE. I even amazed myself. I thought I'd be dying by day 2. I was amazed I got to enjoy it so much. HOWEVER, like I said in my last post...I'm back to my "normal" diet now and I've had problems this week. I think it is just stress from my job and daily responsibilities. Makes me dream of permanant vacation....but then I'd prbably weigh 300 lbs!!!
Just please don't give up. I'm glad you are here.
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Whole grains are not a universal trigger, so they are not off the diet! The only things you need to ban from your diet are stuff like coffee and red meat and high-fat meals. One of Heather's cooking shows has brown rice, fish with garlic, and a salad in it! And all of us need to get as many fruits and vegetables as we can tolerate.
Whole grains can be really problematic for some people, particularly Ds. Most (but not all!) C folks can have them, particularly safer versions like oatmeal and brown rice and whole wheat pastry flour.
If you're C, there's really no reason why you couldn't try your favorite whole grain foods with a safe meal. If it doesn't cause problems, congratulations! And do try to get fruits and veggies with every meal - it helps with the C and is good for your health.
Maybe this would be a good time for you to reread Heather's books. I know that my first few times through I missed a lot of stuff about eating fruits and vegetables safely.
--AC
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Hi I'm C too but I don't write too much. Not because I don't want to, it's just that I don't really know what to tell people. I always seem to have some problem going on whether it be gas, bloat or pain no matter what I eat or what I do. I've come to learn that this is just something I have to live with. I have good days & bad days & when I'm having a bad day, I come to these boards to know I'm not alone. One thing you have to remember is that no matter what, you have to keep trying to find what works for you so you can have good days. I've found that small meals make a big difference for me. Always starting with some SF before having IF also works to keep the bloat down. I take many supplements & try to walk about 4 miles every day. All of these things help me to have more good days than bad but I don't think I'll ever be "normal" or symptom free again. Keep up with the diet. It DOES make a difference but it needs to be tweaked for each individual. Also, keep writing/reading, emotionally that helps a lot too. Meryl
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#229087 - 12/03/05 07:07 PM
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Augie
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I'vw been thinking about this and keep coming up with more C people who have left the boards:Elizabth, Alisa, Allison, Dalia, Nik, EnemaExpert, MusicProf, the dentist guy, Chris (Bradlew something), Dalia, BellShell, Karen from Kansas....
I know it's my choice to choose another way, but I want to truly believe that this will work for me and it scares me to think back on all the C folks who have left to go another route.
I shall carry on and pray for some relief. Something must have led me to this sight and all the wonderful people here. But what if that's it...the people who "work" for me and not the diet. I need to pray for some answers. Please pray for me, those of you who pray. I'd appreciate it.
Thank you.
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...you always make me feel supported and loved. It's nice not to be alone with all this. I couldn't do it alone.
Big hugs and love to you, dear Michelle. Praying for you too!
-------------------- ~ Beth
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Message boards are sort of transient. Especially a support board like this. A lot of people leave just because they do get better and don't really need the support here. Some people leave just because they don't have the time to keep up with the boards. Some people leave because they don't give the diet enough time to work, and are frustrated because after two weeks of no dairy they're still bloated. Some people don't exactly "leave" but just rarely have time to post anymore. Some people sort of abandon the diet board and hang out in the Living Room instead.
If you're referring to Elizabeth McMaster, she didn't think she really had IBS after all, so I am not sure if that counts. (Honestly -- if YOU didn't have IBS, would you be here???) And Dalia is really more of an A, I think, and super-super-busy besides. And everyone else on your list I don't recognize and I've been reading the boards since summer 2004, so they probably didn't post a ton. Or maybe I just ignore those weird C people. (Just kidding!!!!)
There are plenty of C people still around. And it's funny that you think that there isn't, because sometimes it seems to me like no one but C people post on the diet board.
Guess it's all about perspective.
-------------------- jen
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I am still here but I have been fairly stable now for almost a year now and I am not sure how to help you or others. I have told you guys my routine and the things I take but it seems like you question every little detail and to be honest I don't know why what I do works for me. It's just my makeup. I really care about you guys but I just don't feel like I have anymore advice for you. Plus I am tired of obsessing every day about my IBS. I have a job and a family and now that I am fairly stable I like to hang out more in the Living Room and chat about everyday things in life.
I really hope none of you (Beth, and Cyndy) take offense to what I have said because it comes from my heart! I really wish there was some magical advice to give to you guys to make it better. I do follow the diet pretty strictly. I DON'T eat dairy, red meat, or fried foods and haven't for over a year now. However I can eat chocolate and drink alcohol in moderation. So you see my friends everyone is different. I still have gassy days and marble like BM days but I don't let my IBS control me! I control it!!! My heartfelt love and support to all of you. And if I come up with any newfound advice I will be sure to share!
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I am relatively stable now though I had a post-Thanksgiving attack brought on my moi .
I found that being in this room caused me to "think" too much about what I should and shouldn't eat and this diet didn't necessarily work for me. I have shared what has worked for me many times on this board and what works is still the same so I wonder if I might be repetetive and boring.
I don't want to cause anyone undue stress either...that I can drink coffee bothers folks. Casey can eat corn and I can't...that is just life I suppose.
I pray for my friends on this board...that we will all be stable at some point!
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And the diet has never worked for me, either. I'm even on day 38 of the hypno program and my C is no closer to being better. Hang in there, you're not alone!
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Beth, I pray for you every day. Did you try the triphalla and the ground flaxseed? I'm not convinced the diet works, but I cut out dairy, coffee, red meat, but what helps the most is donnatol to stop the cramps. xxooBette
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Cyndy, Did you get the message I sent you or did it get lost in here somewhere? I'll repost the meds and dosages, etc. that I take if you want. Bette
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I spent a lot of time skimming over posts because sometimes it seems like there's ONLY C people here! LOL!
And yes, I was going to point that out, that Elizabeth left because she doesn't have IBS. It's also a really, really busy time of year, you can't forget that either. I mean, I've barely had time to even CHECK the boards lately, much less go through and reply to posts.
Message boards are very transient. People come and go. There are definitely a lot of D people who've disappeared too, and that's just the way it goes.
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Hello! I just haven't remembered to post lately. Plus I'm doing ok with my IBS, so I don't know what to post lol. I wouldn't say the diet doesn't work. I follow it somewhat, although I don't have to be strict with it since my body has become more accustomed to eating normal. Of course I still get symptoms if I eat way off though!
So Cyndy, what are you eating/taking, maybe we can help give you some advice?
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I'm not on the diet because it has too many triggers for my D. I hear it's helped C people though, and others with milder D than I have. All the insoluables like the fruits, tomatoes, asperagus, etc. wreak havoc on my D. I cut out all the acidy foods too, because they give me pain (I don't have GERD, but do have some gastritis so things like lemon juice and tomatoes rip right through me).
Sadly there's no perfect diet for everyone, but the guidelines of Heather's diet are great in general. She can just tolerate a lot more foods than some of us can, so take every recommendation with a grain of salt. Trial and error is going to tell you what works best for you!
~nelly~
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im a Cer and im still around, i just havent been posting. been caught up with personal things that im lucky to check new updates!!! in reguards to your Q about this site being helpful for D's..im not too sure! i dont strictly follow heathers diet b/c my diet is already pretty strict. i still to buying safe fruits and veggies just like described in her Foods' Lists but as a Cer, i just stick to my supplements and try to eat normally with exceptions. good luck!! hopefully some more Cers reply to this;)
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I'm not really sure how to use this forum but here goes. I am a diagnosed ibs c person. I'm going to be seventy-two and have had this problem all my life. My gastro put me on Zelnorm about a year and a half ago. Without it my bowel is totally shut down, but I'm having a great deal of difficulty with this med. Perhaps it is because of my age. It has taken a large psychological toll on me. I take 6mg every other evening, and those evenings are miserable. The med either doesn't work or I get the runs all evening. It limits my life severely, I can't go anywhere or do anything on the nights I medicate, and if the med doesn't work I'm very uncomfortable. I have been pretty much on Heather's diet, sometimes I think it helps, other times I go off and eat lots of whole grain and fresh fruit. My doc knows about this but doesn't seem able to help. There is a large mental component to this problem because now I expect problems on my "Zelnorm nights." Is anyone else having this difficulty, or perhaps my age is a factor.
Old and desparate Iz
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Do what works for you, if the diet doesn't work completely, try experimenting (while still avoiding the trigger foods), by adding a little more IF to your diet. With me, broccoli is a bad trigger, not for C but for gas/bloating. But I find the added fibre (such as benefibre for me, acacia for others) help wonderfully. Just note, you do have to give it a few days to kick in, don't expect a fibre supplement to work the next day, it takes a few. I also find small meals...if I over eat at a single sitting I am sick for the rest of the day!
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... and I'm a C'er! I went through the exact same feelings as you .. feeling overwhelmed and hopeless, wondering if I was doing something wrong, wondering if the diet just plain didn't work ..
I actually started over a few times convinced that I had done something wrong. But, after stressing and stressing, finally one day something clicked. I was able to start noticing what foods I needed to eat to have a BM. For the most part I just used common sense and said to myself "Ok, I have had oatmeal and pasta today .. thats a lot of SF. I feel like I have to go, but I'm just C. Well, I need some IF then. I'll make a smoothie with strawberries and blueberries ... orrr I'll make some peas" I still do that today, and it works every time. I also realized how important my water intake is. Without the water, I would NEVER go.
I will say this, I follow everything about Heather's diet .. except, I do not take an SFS. Most people on this board swear by their SFS, so b/c of that, I would stick to it if you are doing that already. But, the fact that I don't and I am still stable, I think says something about the diet. My advice would be to try making the majority of all your meals SF and add in a little bit of IF. When you get to point to where you feel like you could go but are C, eat some berries or IF veggies and drink some water. See if that doesn't help. Also, and this may sound so silly, but try and move around while, or after, you eat the IF. Bounce or something ... just get the poo moving!
Other than that .. I wish I had better advice to give. I hope you find relief soon!
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I can't believe you are stable without an SFS. I thought that was pretty much a given in order for us C's to "go".
I'm doing exactly what you did with the SF and IF...but it isn't working for me so far. How long did it take you to get results? I've been at it a long time now, and still don't know what foods help/hurt.
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I've seen some of your "reporting in" posts and you eat so much IF cereals on an empty tummy (ie, without SF before) or you eat fruit without an SF before? So, this works for you? It seems not to coincide with the guidelines.
I'm not judging...I'm happy if it works for you!!! And thinking maybe I need to try this approach instead. I'm scared to not take the SF food before though. I do everything according to the guidelines and still it doesn't work.
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I appreciate everyone's input. I'm still confused as to what my body needs/wants though. I know that many of the folks who have left the board are definitely finding better success with a different approach. That's whats so confusing.
I will just keep trying this diet until I'm too tired and frustrated to do it anymore.
How long should I give it for a fair chance? I have been at it for nearly a year.
Do you think this diet works for Everyone with C or just some?
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Like when some C say bananas cause C and others say they eat them everyday. That's confusing and stressful...which isn't good for the IBS anyways.
Maybe it's time for a break. BTW, I never find your posts repetetive. Sometimes we need to be reminded over and over what has helped certain people. It gets confusing and the reinforcement and reminders help.
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Hi Chelsea, Good to hear that you are stable! I agree with your diet tactics. However, with the water consumption and 'bouncing around' you have to be very careful! Excessive water consumption will raise your blood pressure, and if you start bouncing around a lot on top of that, it can drive your BP past a critical limit and cause a stroke which happen- ed with me a couple of weeks ago. Even though the tactic will work, you don't want to do it on a regular basis like I did. . -Bob
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Hi Isabel, If you are getting the runs, i.e. D every time you take the Zelnorm, then you are allergic to it. Check your patient info.sheet, it's stated there. So you should stop the Zelnorm immediately! If your doc balks at it, tell him to read the patient info sheet. Since you are doing Heather's diet, another thing to do is to try Miralax. Your Doc should know that that's an acceptable alternative to Zelnorm. Also, if you're not taking an SFS you might want to try that also. Good luck! -Bob
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Didn't you say stopping yours helped you?
-------------------- ~ Beth
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HI Jen, Yes, exactly! I remember just a while ago some woman posted and asked Heather to de-register her from the boards because she had become totally stable and didn't care to be on the boards anymore, and in evidence of that Cyndy tried asking one last question and she did not respond. There are unfortunately lots of people like that out there.Fortunately for us, there are also lots of people who care and still hang out because they believe it's the right thing to do . - Bob
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You're soo sweet!
I really appreciate all of you sticking around to help us "newbies and sicklies"!! I will try my hardest to stick around, too!! I believe that God blessed me with this condition so that I can help other people if I get better. And if I don't, well then I just made a ton of new IBS Friends to go through IBS attacks with and it's all worth it to me.
I was pretty lonely when I was stable, anyway. Now, I feel like I actually have friends and people to talk to even though all of you are "internet buddies". It doesn't matter....
Thank you for being here for me!! Love all of ya!!
Michelle
-------------------- IBS-D. Hiatal Hernia, GERD
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Oh my goodness!! Are you alright? How awful, I hope you are doing ok.
I didn't really mean vigorous bouncing or anything ... I just mean some sort of movement to get things moving. But wow, its good to know that information anyway. I would have never known that water raises your blood pressure. Yikes!
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Lets see .. I would say I've been at it since about May of this year. Like I said, I started over many times b/c I would start to get such awful gas and bloating, but eventually, I just said to myself "Ok, you are just going to have to deal with the gas/bloat for a little bit in order to get your IF in" So, i did just that. I continued introducing IF (Mixing peas in w/ pasta, making vegetable roasts, making smoothies w/ plenty of berries, eating oatmeal w/ berries, and eat salads with rice in them). My belly was the size of a balloon for about a full week and half and I was a walking fart machine, but I just dealt with it. After that initial week and half, I noticed them starting to subside. I had made it over the hump. After that, I was actually able to cut down on the IF and still remain stable. I do still get slightly bloated after meals ... that is a harder problem to fix ... even stable folks deal with bloat. And every now and then, if I've overdone it on the day's fiber, I'll have some gas. But all in all, I'm feeling much better and I go to the bathroom everyday.
I know it seems so discouraging, but you just have to keep trying with the goal in mind of figuring out what works for you. You will figure it out, I promise!
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Hi Beth, Yes, I haven't used it since my stroke, and it certainly hasn't seemed to worsen my condition at all. It could even be that it might help if I started it up again. However, right now since I'm improving, I'm going to hold off doing it. The primary reason is it just about requires drowning yourself with water which could push up my BP to high which is more important now. Also, just because I'm not doing it doesn't mean I don't think other people should not do it either, especially since it has proven for the most part to be very effective. That advice was for Isabel who may be helped by it. For her it's probably well worth trying, if she hasn't already. -Bob
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It was a little cool yesterday and I drank lots of herbal tea. I used Stevia-Plus in every cup of tea.
This morning I had a wonderful poo (if you will...) and my tummy was nice and flat. No bloating or anything.
This is the third time that I can really say that Stevia-Plus is what keeps me going. I know that a few of you are concerned about the "Plus" which is an inulin fiber but it doesn't bother ME a bit.
I have posted this before so for those of you to whom this seems redundant forgive me but I was compelled to share this with the new folks.
-------------------- Have a blessed day!...Rachel
stable and sooooooo thankful!
I have IBS but it doesn't have me!
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Chelsea, Yes,If you take in a lot of water and don't urinate frequently enough, it will raise your BP. The rates at which it becomes a problem are 48oz per hour or more. If your net intake rate( the amount you drink minus the amount you pee out) exceeds this value, your diastolic BP will go up between 5 and 10 points(mm), and your systolic will be double that. If your resting BP is normal, i.e. 120/80, that's not really dangerous, but if it's like 135/90, it is! That was the case with me. I have an enlarged prostate, so I wasn't peeing enough. Now, I'm on a diueretic BP med which makes me pee more keeping my BP down near normal. -Bob
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Michelle, That's an excellent perspective of looking at it! I feel the same way too. It's really dawned on me since I had my stroke and got a flood of well wishes from the board members . You know, I often wonder if any of the lads below have IBS and are reading these boards. If they are, they'll never stop ribbing me for being called sweet<laugh>.Thanks again! -Bob
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I'm gonna experiment and try this stuff. I have been afraid of the inulin, but I can't get any worse, so no harm trying. It may just work...and my tea will taste yummier too!
How much Stevia do you put in a cup? Do you use a whole packet per cup? About how many packets do you use per day?
thanks!
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In general...4 packets a day works great. If I use the powder I put in the equivalent of 2 tsp. per cup of coffee (I can handle coffee...most can't)and I drink a couple of cups in the morning. There are times I drink tea all day and use Stevia with no issues. I would recommend moderation until you see it working for you.
-------------------- Have a blessed day!...Rachel
stable and sooooooo thankful!
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-------------------- ~ Beth
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Not to be a downer, but I've been trying for over a year.
Tell me, do you take any supplements? Or do you just control it by diet?
I think that IBS is complex, and people have it to different degrees. And some, like myself, have other "stuff" going on that probably contributes to my symptoms.
Gotta start those Hypno CDs as soon as I get enough money for a Programmable CD player.
-------------------- ~ Beth
Constipation, pain prodominent,cramps, spasms and bloat!
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Gotcha
#229865 - 12/07/05 09:53 AM
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How will you decide whether to start it again or not?
-------------------- ~ Beth
Constipation, pain prodominent,cramps, spasms and bloat!
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Re: Gotcha
#229873 - 12/07/05 10:40 AM
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Beth, If I don't improve further, or regress, then I will start it again. -Bob
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Thanks for your reply Bob. My gastro doc has already given me Miralax in the past and I had problems with it...a great deal of bloating and not much else. She gets frustrated with me, but is still supportive. Excuse my ignorance, I'm new to this...what is SFS? Does it have something to do with fiber?
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Isabel, It is not at all unusual for Miralax to cause gas problems, and not be as effective as it can be when you first use it. That happened with me, it took about a month for the gas problems to subside and for it's effectiveness to kick in. It's also helpful to drink as much water as you can when using it, even though it's technically not required. SFS means soluble fiber supplement, like metamucil,citrucel,fibercon, and Heather's acacia which has the most SF per gram.You have to start with small doses, but Heather provides directions with it. -Bob
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Thank you Bob, I'll be seeing my gastroenterologist in January and I'll ask her for a new scrip, I threw the old Miralax out. If she has time to talk over a possible stategy with me that would be great, but I may just have to work this out myself. Thanks also for telling me what SFS is. I have Heather's Acacia fiber in the house, I just have a fear of gas. I guess I'll have to persevere and not jump from one thing to another. Do you use Heather's diet? I've been deviating a bit, but still watch the fat.
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I just control it by diet now. I found that the supplements weren't making a difference either way, and that I was going normally just with my food alone.
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Poochibelly, I never heard of stevia plus. I do use stevia but how does stevia plus work and does it really help you go.
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I'm here and I'm a C but know one ever answers my posts.
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-------------------- Have a blessed day!...Rachel
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I have IBS but it doesn't have me!
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Hi Isabel, No, I'm not strictly adhering to Heather's diet. I'm just avoiding stuff that I've found that really bothers me, which are cheeses and chocolates. Also, I'm not eating real high fiber, about 20 to 25 grams per day, and about a 3 to 1 IF to Sf ratio. I don't avoid fat because I've needed to gain weight, and it's working, pre- stroke I was down to 141.1 and now I'm up to 162.5. Good luck with your GI appt. -Bob
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