HAs anyone else tried this?
#208607 - 08/25/05 05:46 PM
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cindys75
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I found a sour cream supplement called tofutti-Better than sour cream and it did pretty good until I guess maybe I ate too much. Just wondering if anyone else tried it and how did it do with them.
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Soy products are high in fat. With dairy you can get reduced fat which is great but it is still dairy! With soy products they are all sort of fatty and so you have to eat it with lower fat food. It has 5 grams of fat in 50 calories which is 90% fat! But the good thing about soy fake dairy is it lasts much longer than regular dairy.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
Edited by Little Minnie (08/25/05 06:19 PM)
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to clarify, isn't it that, rather than all soy products being high in fat, the soy fake-dairy stuff tends to be? light soy milk isn't too bad, fake meat is great, and tofu isn't high in fat, if i remember correctly.
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Actually, tofu is pretty high in fat, unfortunately. Not outrageously so, but still pretty high. You can get "light" tofu though, i.e. Mori-Nu sells a firm-lite variety, which is what I buy, but most people would probably be ok with regular tofu with meal that is generally low-fat otherwise. Soy itself is actually rather fatty - again not outrageously so, but still pretty high. Like if you ate just edamame that's really high in fat, I'm pretty sure anyway 
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Mori-Nu...
#208724 - 08/26/05 07:23 AM
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jaime g
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is the best-tasting tofu i've ever found, by the way.
i guess sometimes i only pay attention to calories when i read labels. tofu is low in calories, considering, right? i mean, i'm gonna keep eating it anyway... it's always with rice and veggies, so it's just about the only fat in the meal. i need to start reading things more slowly, though. thanks.
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Hi Jaime, Say,do you know if the high fat content is the reason that Chris doesn't like soy milks at all? -Bob
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Bob--
#208735 - 08/26/05 07:54 AM
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jaime g
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chris? was that question directed at me?
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Re: Bob--
#208736 - 08/26/05 08:00 AM
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Johnny T. Reb
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Jaime, Yes, it was from that other thread on where she was
talking about following Brasco and Rubin's ideas and kefir
came up. She said you can make nondairy kefir, but don't
use soy milk. I just got the impression you knew her well.
-Bob
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Re: Bob--
#208756 - 08/26/05 09:18 AM
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jaime g
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no, i don't think i was even reading that discussion. sorry i can't be of help.
jaime
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Chris, who is a male incidently, is following Jordan Rubin's theory on the GI problems. This link will give you the answers as to why Jordan Rubin does not believe in soy and why Chris does not suggest it...since he is following Rubin's treatment plan. Soy information I found the link to this from this original site. Jordan Ruban
Heather does not agree with this theory on soy...so it's up to you to decide what you believe.
Me, I'm totally confused and don't know what's up with anything! Soy is suppose to cause gas, so that's why I refrain from it...not necessarily because I think it's bad. If I had ever become stable, I would certainly have tried to eat soy as I would love to eat some alternative soy products.
HTH
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soy & gas
#208791 - 08/26/05 10:17 AM
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jaime g
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of course, i've been seeing all the same things here... but some people describe it as being the same as IF - once your body gets used to it and builds up proper helpful enzymes, you can handle it better. as a (lazy) vegetarian i'm rather dependent on it, and hoping that since i've always eaten it, and it's SF, i can keep on going... and a little gas is better than no protein.  i guess.
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Beth, Thanks very much for the info! I just went out and bought a gallon of regular and vanilla rice milk. Well, it
says rice drink, but it looks like milk. That soy info site
makes it seem like you're going to die tomorrow if you eat or
drink the stuff today! Here it is, I've been drinking soy milk
since the beginning of March, and eating soy yogurts every
day for the last two months. Oh boy! All these contradictory claims are really disturbing. Well the guy
who was trashing soy formula and products was adocating
dairy products. Now if you go to notmilk.com, you'll see
he's full of it too. My oh my, this is just too much  . According to Jaime, I should be adjusted to
the soy stuff by now anyway. I'll try this rice milk stuff
and if I don't notice any difference, it's back to the soy
stuff. It's also much more convenient for me to get the
soy stuff as the grocery store in my town has it. The rice
stuff is only available at one store a dozen miles away.
Oh the reason I thought Chris was female is because when I
checked out dysbiosis via on the web, it said something
about it being a condition women got from candida infections?!
Hope you're feeling better! -Bob
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i make no claims of knowing that one's body acclimates to soy. i only hope.
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"You absolutely must eat insoluble fiber foods, and as much as safely possible, but within the IBS dietary guidelines. Treat insoluble fiber foods with suitable caution, and you'll be able to enjoy a wide variety of them, in very healthy quantities, without problem." Please eat IF foods!
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Oh yeah I wholeheartedly agree! Mori-Nu is definitely the best I've tried by far  Love the stuff!
But anyway, I got off my lazy butt and looked it up... 
1/2 a package (2 slices) Mori-Nu Regular Firm Tofu has about 5g of fat and 104 calories, which is about 43% fat. (Also has 12g protein.)
The same amount of Mori-Nu Regular Firm LITE Tofu has about 1g of fat and 62 calories, which is about 14% fat. (11g protein.)
And, just for the sake of comparison, a similar amount of skinless chicken breast (2oz) has 2g of fat and 92 calories, which is about 19% fat. (Not to suggest that chicken breast would be a suitable substitute for tofu or anything, I don't eat the stuff myself anymore ) (17g protein - not that much more than the tofu!)
Again, the regular tofu would probably be ok for most people with a regular, low-fat meal - i.e. it would be pretty easy to bring the whole meal down to the 20-25% fat range with some rice and veggies.
Edited by retrograde (08/26/05 08:42 PM)
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awesome. thanks for looking that up for me. i happen to have none in my fridge at the moment.
and i realized that since finding mori-nu (bless its space aged packaging), i've always bought the lite. so i don't feel too bad about that at all.
thanks again.
j
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