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      #149543 - 02/13/05 10:26 AM
abby82

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I have always thought that I have endometriosis and I finally have an appointment with a specialist on March 1st. I have EXTREMELY painful periods - to the point where Im just curled up on the floor in severe pain. I finally went to a gyno last year and got on the patch and I only have to take it off every 3 months so that definitely has helped. But the doctor that I went to always just said "I dont think you have endo" just from doing his normal routine exam. He would never ask any questions and when I told him how bad my periods were he would just say "oh ya - it happens to a lot of girls - especially if you have IBS - you cant tolerate pain as well as others" and that would be it and he'd send me out the door. He was such an awful doctor so I called around and got an appointment with this new one that is supposed to be really good. Anyways my question is: Since I have my appt. on March 1st should I set my GI appt. up for afterwards. Im asking because I know that endometriosis can mimic IBS so Im wondering if maybe my new gyno can get to the bottom of things. Has anyone ever had endometriosis when they thought they had IBS instead? Did treatment for endo help your IBS symptoms at all? Any info or suggestions would be VERY appreciated!

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      #149547 - 02/13/05 11:01 AM
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I've been ping-pong-balled back and forth between GYNO and GI specialists for 2 years now becasue it's very hard to discern what all is affecting what "down there". I don't have endo but I do have problems there that were previously chalked up to IBS or "just gas" (almost punched one dr when he said that, I was in terrible pain).

The concensus rigth now is that I DO have IBS but it dramatically changed in its pain/affect on me after birth of my 3rd baby. I hung it up to stress a while and then thought, there's no way, something else is wrong.

Finally we've determined I have cystocele and rectocele, both causing me problems, and internal varicose veins all around my left ovary causing gobs of pain. I'm about to set up surgery to correct the "celes" and probably remove my left ovary, I haven't quite settled on whether I want to undergo ALL that yet or not.

I'd definitely get thoroughly checked out by a GOOD gyno. My first one was a lot like my first GI dr, not too great. Treat your first appointment like an interview and YOU decide whether they're hired or FIRED!!! You have to have good doctors who listen to you and see you situation as a whole rather than bits adn pieces.

GL!

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Re: Endometriosis question new
      #149581 - 02/13/05 01:53 PM
Vicam

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That gyno you saw sounds horrible! Sorry that you had to deal with such a stupid doctor.

First of all, I have endometriosis and have done a lot of research on it, and the general consensus is that painful peroids like the ones you described are absolutely not normal, and that any doc who suggests that doesn't know what he's talking about! If your periods are that painful, I would say there's a good chance that you have endo.

Now, just so you know, the only way to officially diagnose endo is via surgery (a laparoscopy). The doctor can't tell just by an exam. However, if you're exhibiting all of the classic symptoms, some docs will try treating you for endo under the assumption that you have it without surgery. I personally would recommend the surgery first, just because alot of the treatments can be pretty severe, and wouldn't be worth going through if you didn't have the problem. Plus, during surgery they can remove the endo lesions which often results in people feeling a lot better.

Endo symptoms can definately be confused with IBS. To be honest, I still cant' really say whether I have IBS or whether my problems are just from the endo, it's just so darn hard to tell. The only treatment I've had (so far) has been to be on BC pills continuously so I don't have a period (I'll let myself have one ever six months or so). It's helped a little in that I don't have to suffer through terrible pain monthly, but hasn't had much of an effect on the GI symptoms. From what I've read, you need to have the endo removed in order to have GI improvement.

Here are a few sites you might want to check out:
http://www.endometriosistreatment.org/html/reprint15.html
http://www.vitalcareinstitute.com/

Hope that info help! Let us know how your appointment goes!
Kelly

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      #149594 - 02/13/05 02:57 PM
abby82

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Thanks for the reply. I have read about the surgery being the only way to tell if you have it or not. So you have had the surgery then? Was it bad? Ive never been in the hospital for ANYTHING so the word surgery scares me to death but Ill do anything if it might make me feel even a tiny bit better. I go to my new doctor on March 1st - any suggestions on what I need to ask or talk about?? Thank you so much for your help!

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      #149600 - 02/13/05 03:22 PM
Vicam

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Yes I have had th surgery. It's not bad at all. I'll admit I was really scared beforehand too, and it was the first surgery or hospital thing I had ever had done, but it was a piece of cake (relatively speaking). They do it via laparoscopy, where they make a small incision at your belly button and a small one lower and use special instruments to look around...that way you don't have to be cut right open. It's almost always a day procedure so you don't have to stay overnight, and in about 3-4 days you should be totally recovered. I personally thought the worse part was from the gas they pump into your belly to be able to see better, it causes shoulder pain of all things!

As for your appointment, I would just quiz the doc and his/her experience with endometriosis. There are vast differences in how much ob-gyns know about the disease...if the doctors practice is mostly delivering babies, they might not know that much. I finally found a doc who specializes in infertiltiy and other disease of the female reproductive system, and doesn't deal at all with regular pregancies, and he knew a lot more.

Some things I would ask:
- Most important: Ask what type of removal method they would use if they found endo. Basically there are 2 ways they can do it, laser or excision. It is generally thought that excision is the best way (I've actually gone through 4 docs before finding one who will do it that way). With excision they actually cut out the lesions. With laser, they just burn the lesions off which can cause problems because often it only removes the superficial endo, leaving some underneath which can cause more problems later on.

- Ask what he/she will do to prevent adhesions if you have surgery. Basically, becuase of the nature of endo, the surgery can leave you with a lot of raw tissue which can lead to adhesions, which can in certain cases be more painful than the actual endo. There are things docs can do to try and prevent it, so you want to make sure the doctor will do that.

- If you're going to have surgery, ask what he/she will do if endo is found on the bowel. Some gyns won't even touch it, they'll just tell you it's there and you'll have to have a second surgery, so it's best to know that up front.

That's all I can think of right now, I'll post again if I think of anything else. The only other thing I can suggest is to really research it (especially the drug treatment options). I've found a lot of docs will push Lupron and other heavy-duty hormonal options, and you really need to know what you're getting into before you go on those drugs. There's alot of information out there, so you want to check it out

Hope that helps!
Kelly

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Re: Thank you so much Kelly! -nt- new
      #149603 - 02/13/05 03:27 PM
abby82

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      #149946 - 02/14/05 12:56 PM
MCV

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Another suggestion - ask the doc what the risks of the laparoscopy are and make sure he/she discusses them in detail with you. I don't mean to scare you, but I have endo and when I went for my surgery, the doc was lasering away some of it and she accidentally burned my ureter (connects the kidney to the bladder). I ended up having 5 more surgeries to fix it - a urologist ended up having to reconstruct it and I was hospitalized for a week.

The reason I say to ask the doc about the risks is that my doc never told me anything about possible accidents such as this one.

I've since switched docs....

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